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   After the Presidental State of the Union Speech, for some reason I just don't feel much better. Care to talk me down?

    I'll keep this short, as I am sure everyone has thoughts on the speech tonight. But my concern is this. November is so up for grabs, and I think everyone realizes this. As many before me have said, it doesn't matter what Obama does, the republicans will not go along or work in any way to advance the policies presented by the democrats. Am I the only one getting sick of the democrats seeming this gullible?

    Add to that, the Supreme court ruling allowing corporations to jump into our elections as much as they want. This topic is a bizarre one to attempt to discuss with many hard-core republicans. I have tried to discuss it, but the usual response is "now things are level with Unions and Soros" or some such non-sense (I blog elsewhere too, and there I am one of like 5 progressives to over 20 conservatives, tea-baggin conservatives, so you can imagine the "joys" those discussions get into.) More money than ever before is going to go into the 2010 elections, and we all know who the money will probably go toward, the "in the bag corporatist".

    Finally, pardon me for asking why after election after election with these electronic voting machines that have had some very fishy problems (I am being VERY kind), why the democrats who have been burned by it haven't taken just a moment to say, you know, maybe those in 2010 are not a good Idea, or at least should be better observed. I mean after we won the 2008 with some worried about those machines, the topic nearly went silent. Thank goodness for Bev Harris and Bradblog so that someone keeps watching this.

    Anyway, I am worried, I am very worried about 2010. This conservative speech of more attempts to appease the mob that will never be appeased now just has me feeling like this period up to the election will be more of the same, which while alot, has not been things that stick in the mind of voters today. I think the Dems face a loss unless something changes. Am I overly paranoid, jumping the gun?

Talk me down friends, talk me down.

Originally posted to EastKYprogressive on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 10:20 PM PST.


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  •  Tip Jar (4+ / 0-)
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    DaleA, riftt, lams712, rubine

    Don't take my word for it, look it up for yourself....

    by ekyprogressive on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 10:20:55 PM PST

  •  With this speech, the President (10+ / 0-)

    clearly framed the election.  It's a tough one to run from for the Republicans, especially when they show them sitting on their asses while the President said everyone hated the bailout and how he was going to get the taxpayer money back.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White

    by zenbassoon on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 10:25:06 PM PST

  •  You worry too much. (9+ / 0-)

    Today is the tomorrow we worried about yesterday.  ~Author Unknown

    Worry never robs tomorrow of its sorrow, it only saps today of its joy.  ~Leo Buscaglia

    If you want to test your memory, try to recall what you were worrying about one year ago today.  ~E. Joseph Cossman

    You can't wring your hands and roll up your sleeves at the same time.  ~Pat Schroeder

    "Don't Bet Against Us" - President Barack Obama

    by MRA NY on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 10:26:20 PM PST

    •  You don't have to tell me... (1+ / 0-)
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      MRA NY

      The grey hairs say it every morning...LOL. Thank you for the quotes, I needed something uplifting.


      Don't take my word for it, look it up for yourself....

      by ekyprogressive on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 10:29:36 PM PST

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      •  Yeah, I used to be like that. At 51, only (8+ / 0-)

        stopped worrying so much in the last couple years - it truly isn't worth it! Never changed a darn thing, that's for sure.

        "Don't Bet Against Us" - President Barack Obama

        by MRA NY on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 10:31:59 PM PST

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      •  My favourite (2+ / 0-)
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        ekyprogressive, MRA NY

        God grant me the courage to change the things I can change, the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, and the wisdom to know the difference.

        I think you are being unduly pessimistic. The references to bipartisanship are not an indication that he doesn't get it. They are merely a sop to the independents who want bipartisanship, the necessary precursor to putting the blame for it not happening squarely where it belongs.

        Someone on this site suggested a good way of dealing with the Supreme Court ruling. Just tell your teabagger friends that all China needs to do is invest in a corporation and it can then spend unlimited funds on influencing the American election. Indeed, Osama bin Laden could do the same! If that doesn't scare the crap out of them, they are beyond hope.

        Frankly I share you hostile suspicion of the voting machines. I think they are a dreadful way to assure the probity of the vote. But I don't think they are likely to have a major impact on the election in November.

        Chill the f*** out. I got this.

        by ultraviolet uk on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 05:41:59 AM PST

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    •  Love the schroeder thingy. (1+ / 0-)
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      MRA NY

      Between birthers, deathers and mouth-breathers, the gop has got 'teh crazy' and 'teh stoopid' covered.

      by amk for obama on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 11:40:18 PM PST

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  •  The Supreme Court case.... (2+ / 0-)
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    ....while a terrible decision, won't be quite as bad as we fear, because corporations will also give heavily to Democrats. They like to hedge their bets. There will be a flood of money into the system, but hopefully it will cancel itself out. Best case scenario.

    •  I hope you are right... (1+ / 0-)
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      And this is not the "perfect storm" to end up paralyzing the government more than before.

      Don't take my word for it, look it up for yourself....

      by ekyprogressive on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 10:31:13 PM PST

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    •  Do you think it's good when corporations BUY both (4+ / 0-)
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      parties? You won't really have the floods of money cancelling itself out, you will have floods of money buying off both parties. Special interests flooding elections will help to ensure that whether a democrat or a republican wins, corporatist positions will be well represented. See: health care reform, exhibit A.

      Fall seven times, stand up eight ---Japanese proverb

      by camlbacker on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 10:57:04 PM PST

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      •  True, it could end up with a different "one party (3+ / 0-)
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        rule". The corporatist party. D or R becoming irrelevent.

        Thought you guys were supposed to talk me down...LOL.


        Don't take my word for it, look it up for yourself....

        by ekyprogressive on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 10:59:50 PM PST

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        •  I'll be glad to talk you down. If you consider (0+ / 0-)

          yourself a progressive, you'll be spending the rest of your life working for progressive values. If you go forward in that knowingness, it will make it a lot easier to weather the inevitable tragedies and travesties on the road to justice. And know that social justice is not only a destination, but a process. Here, have a shovel!

          Fall seven times, stand up eight ---Japanese proverb

          by camlbacker on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 11:33:00 PM PST

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  •  OK. I'll try. (15+ / 0-)

    Tonight, he did absolutely everything he had to do:

    * Reminded people that Bush had a surplus and handed him a 2 trillion deficit. * Reminded people that "conservative" ideas hadn't worked. * Pointed out that he didn't like bailing out banks but that it had to be done to avoid a DEPRESSION (I think he said the word). * Told Republicans that blocking legislation is not leading and said they would be held responsible. * Committed to health care reform. * Said America stands for equality and that DADT needs to be repealed. * Said he wasn't trying to get legislation passed to score political points, but because THAT IS THE JOB OF GOVERMENT * Called for a jobs bill....and might get it. * Hit it out of the park and chastened Republicans.

    Speech was probably seen and heard by many millions of people, eliminating the media filter.

    He will need to follow up with a couple legislative successes, which will be difficult, but he did the very best he could do and showed leadership.

    Tonight I'm going to party like it's 1929.

    by Bensdad on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 10:31:58 PM PST

  •  Funny how this works (1+ / 0-)
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    When Bush gives a State of the Union, the left acts like it doesn't do anything to change the mood of America.

    Ted Kennedy's seat was lost to a Republican, that should be worry enough!  Health Care is virtually dead, so the Dems better get some serious work done before election time or they're losing a good deal of numbers.

    American's aren't going to buy this "saved jobs" garbage if unemployment is still over the 8% Obama promised it wouldn't get over come November.

    I don't drink the cool-ade.. liberal or conservative.

    by Raviohli on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 10:40:05 PM PST

  •  One word: demographics (9+ / 0-)

    The may have talk radio and the voting machines.  They may take balk congress - or even the white house.  Anything is possible.

    But America is changing and he GOP is on the wrong side of the trends.  It was the young and the "brown" who voted  Obama in and the older generation is dying off and America is getting browner and browner.

    Whatever shirt term gains they make, their days are numbered.  Our job is simply not to fuck things up by getting cynical and sending the message to both young and ethnic voters that the Democratic party is not the party of change.  That is what the negativity here is so destructive.  

    Stay positive.  The arc of history bends towards justice.

  •  I admit I am not very optimisitic yet.... (0+ / 0-)

    ....but I certainly feel better than I did a week ago. Let's see how the rest of this year shapes up and see where we're at around Labor Day. There's still time to get things done.

    "...if my thought-dreams could be seen, they'd probably put my head in a guillotine...." {-8.13;-5.59}

    by lams712 on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 11:18:18 PM PST

  •  I'd love to talk you down (2+ / 0-)
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    but your concerns are mine. And... I really don't think it will make a damn bit of difference by "electing better or more progressive Dems." I wish! But, I think if we had 99 progressive Dems in the Senate we still wouldn't get 60 votes. Or 51. [sigh] I think we all know who runs congress, and it ain't the elected seat holders.

  •  Two comments to encourage you not to worry (0+ / 0-)

    First, the Supreme Court decision didn't allow corporations to donate unlimited amounts to candidates. The basic limits on donations stayed intact.

    And groups of people should have the right to advocate for their point of view. The ACLU should be able to run ads in favor of civil rights. AARP should be allowed to run ads saying that Social Security and Medicare are good. And even the NRA (who I disagree with on most issues) should be allowed to advertise. The AMA or the Association of Taxi-Cab Drivers or SEIU or The People Who Wear Owl Costumes or the D&D Dungeon Masters Who Live In Their Mother's Basement And Download Porn should be able to spend money to argue for their point of view.

    There was hard money (donated to candidates, but with strict limits), soft money (donated to the political parties, with fewer limits), and third-party advocacy ads. The Supreme Court removed the limits on the third-party ads. That doesn't mean the NRA can contribute unlimited amounts of money to a candidate. It means the NRA can buy unlimited ads that tell people to vote for one guy or against the other guy. Or Apple or Walmart or Exxon can run ads.

    This is not a good thing. But it's not really a big difference from the old days, before the SCOTUS decision. The old rules required corporations to donate money to a PAC or a non-profit organization and they could run ads. And they couldn't mention a candidate's name. And they couldn't run ads 60 days before the election.


    Second, the voting machines. I'm not sure what to think. Yeah, they can probably be rigged. But right before the MA vote for Senator, I noticed that a lot of right-wingers were worried that they'd get screwed by the machines. They claimed that "Massachusetts is a blue state, so they're gonna rig the voting machines. We should demand a recount if we lose." It sounded to me like a tin-foil hat conspiracy theory. Even without machines, people have fixed elections (look at Afghanistan).

    Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

    by Dbug on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 04:34:50 AM PST

  •  the public needs to ask to make this better (1+ / 0-)
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    so first they need to be re-informed, rallied and focused for it.... this is something we can do as progressive activists...

    electronic voting machines that have had some very fishy problems (I am being VERY kind), why the democrats who have been burned by it haven't taken just a moment to say, you know, maybe those in 2010 are not a good Idea

    When you took your oath of office you didn't place your hand on the Constitution to swear to uphold the Bible. - Jamie Raskin

    by anyname on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 05:33:36 AM PST

    •  PS - those people (0+ / 0-)

      On Election Day almost 130 million of us -- the highest turnout in 100 years -- came out to vote, many of us waiting in poll lines for hours. When challenged we held our ground and called on thousands of election-protection volunteers to protect our right to vote. - Bob Edgar, Common Cause

      When you took your oath of office you didn't place your hand on the Constitution to swear to uphold the Bible. - Jamie Raskin

      by anyname on Thu Jan 28, 2010 at 05:35:42 AM PST

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  •  We are going to see extremely serious losses (0+ / 0-)

    about the only bright side is....they have even less of an idea of how to govern than we do.

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